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Another fine message from the rec.arts.movies.erotica reading room...
[Prev][Next][Subject][Thread] Re: RFD: rec.arts.movies.erotica moderated
[email protected] (James Alexander Chokey) writes: > Sounds like a well-reasoned, very well conceived proposal. I'm happy to hear that at least one person has liked it :-) > I only have one question regarding the choice of name. Why rec. > arts.movies.erotica, rather than rec.arts.erotica.movies? Not that > I object to the currently-proposed name, but it might make sense > to try and keep erotica together in one rec.* subhierarchy. It depends on points of emphasis: do we want a sex newsgroup with movies as the playing ground or do we want a movies newsgroup with a sexual slant? Actually we need both, but we can't have both because they are two different rec branches. Personally I believe we should hang off the r.a.m. branch instead of the r.a.e. one for several reasons: First off, a sex group with movies as a playing ground EXISTS: it's called alt.sex.movies. True, it's getting shellacked by spammers and forgers, but even when it was a model of quiet and civility (which it was, as recently as last winter) it was primarily a HARDCORE newsgroup. Nothing wrong with that, of course, after all *I* am a hardcore fan primarily. However, I have tried to make a point in the RFD to try to encompass more than hardcore in the new group. If rame is created its first traffic will be the intelligent discussions from asm , i.e. about hardcore. In order to supplement this to create the universal group envisaged, we must ATTRACT softcore and erotic mainstream afficionados. It's much easier, I believe, to do that if the group hangs off the movies branch (which already sort of hosts erotic mainstream), than in the erotica one (where people primarily go to discuss sex and not movies. Furthermore, there are those sites that just drop the "sex" branches without even bothering to check what's in each newsgroup (can't blame them -- just the word "sex" in a newsgroup name seems nowadays to carry connotations of megs of binaries, ads and bad press). I'm certain that our proposed group has merit and I would be sad to see it dropped as a knee-jerk reaction along with all the rest of the so-called "dirty" groups. It is unfortunate, but also a fact of life, than bunching erotica groups together tends to make a nice little ghetto just beckoning to be dropped from newsfeeds. It should not be so, for there is much good discussion in many of these newsgroups. But, as I said, it happens. And if it starts happening for r.a.m.e. as well, then we'll have little luck in attracting members interested in non-hardcore aspects of erotic cinema (which is a primary reason behind this RFD). I'm pretty sure that sites who object to sex newsgroups for moral, legal (e.g. British sites) or similar reasons will eventually locate and drop rec.arts.movies.erotica. Nothing I can do about that. What I *would* like to enjoy however is a short grace period in which we can demonstrate to be a newgroup that adds something to usenet and is worth carrying. I believe that hanging off the movies branch will give us this grace period. > >Moderator: Imperator <[email protected]> > >Moderator: Brad Williams <[email protected]> > >Moderator: Jeff Knapp <[email protected]> > >Moderator: Peter Van Aarle <[email protected]> > >Moderator: Tim Evanson <[email protected]> > > Not that I want to make a major point out of something > that is merely a minor observation, but I can't help but notice > that all of the moderators are men. (Or at least, I'm assuming > that Imperator is a man). He is (it isn't "Imperatrix" after all :-)). BTW, since the matter of my anonymity is bound to arise let me say a brief thing here to preempt much speculation. I, like many of the future readers of ra.m.e, need the cover of anonymity to protect ourselves from a social odium that unfortunately accompanies erotic movie fandom (particularly hardcore). This anonymity does NOT imply lack of accountability in my case of a proposed moderator. All the other prposed moderators and the sysadmin at paranoia.com know my real identity and can surely censure me if I get out of hand in the moderation process. I believe that personal information per se is not the important attribute when it comes to a moderator, just accountability. However, if there is a clear majorityin this RFD process that feels uncomfortable with this anonymity, I will be most happy to withdraw from consideration as a moderator. > I don't know how many women readers > there are on alt.sex.movies, but I'm sure there must be some. > Might it not be a good idea to have at least one female moderator > of the proposed group, if only to reassure women readers/posters > feel that the group isn't just a place for guys? There are not many active women posters left in asm, particularly since the deterioration of the quality of discussion in the last year. I certainly hope that the new group can persuade ladies to return or even join for the first time. At this juncture however, we sadly could not find ANY likely candidates. > -- Jim C. Imperator Follow-Ups:
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